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Parents of lost babies and potential of all kinds: come here to share the technicolour, the vividness, the despair, the heart-broken-open, the compassion we learn for others, having been through this mess — and see it reflected back at you, acknowledged and understood.

Thanks to photographer Xin Li and to artist Stephanie Sicore for their respective illustrations and photos.

for one and all > Pregnancy and Flu shot!

Hello beautiful mother's and fathers of Glow. I would like to know if any of you mother's received the Flu shot or any other vaccines while pregnant. I've been doing some research on this topic, because I did receive the flu shot while pregnant (6 1/2 months). I went into preterm labor late in my 7th month. Ive had 3 live healthly births before this last one, but I also never got any shots or immunizations while pregnant, but I did this time. Just a question for any mom's willing to answer. Thanks
July 5, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterK.M
I had flu shots and whooping cough vaccinations for both of my pregnancies, one of which resulted in a living child and one of which didn't.
July 5, 2017 | Unregistered Commentersituate
I've had all the recommended shots in all of my pregnancies. I don't think there's any evidence out there linking vaccines to complications. On the other hand, having some of these ill esses while pregnant can have serious effects on mother and baby. I'd get the shots!
July 5, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterAB
Yes, I got the flu and TDAP shots with all three pregnancies (my first son died due to placental abruption, the second and third were born healthy). I'm not aware of any connection between shots and pregnancy loss... personally, i was hoping the babies would get antibodies from me, and i also wanted to make sure i didn't get sick while taking care of a newborn (especially because all three babies were born in October/November, right at the beginning of flu season).
July 5, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterMira
When I had a placental abruption at 33 weeks, I had received no shotts. This time around, the immunization against whooping caugh was recommended. I took it and my baby was born full term, alive and healthy.if anything, this would the exact opposite.
Remember that babies can die of simple diseases like a common flu.
July 5, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterMarta
It's a valid question. I'm an RN and I even questioned the tDap vaccaine I got at 32 weeks. Carter was delivered and died a week later. But, rationally I know there is no correlation. There's no scientific documentation that connects pregnancy complications with receiving vaccines. For me, my mind (in hindsight), was just searching for answers. The vaccines are recommended for a reason - there to protect the mother and the baby.
July 5, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterJenna
Wow KM, you sound EXACTLY like me.

My son was stillborn two days after I got a flu shot. I debated getting it and I researched online. I found that, medically, flu shots were very beneficial to both mother and baby in offering protection and transferring antibodies to baby. So, with the intention of doing everything I could to ensure the well being of my child, I got the shot.

I questioned it nonstop after Riyad suddenly died. It seemed to me like it was connected (although logically, it's probably not)! Stillbirths, preterm labor, and infant deaths in general are such awful, horrible things. what adds onto the horror is the fact that we often don't have solid answers for why we lost our babies. Our minds want to find a logical reason why this happened to our precious children. So we make connections that aren't valid, we try to blame our actions and things we did, when there is no actual connection and in reality these were horrible tragedies that were completely out of our hands.

So I'm rambling just to say that I understand how you feel. I talked to many mothers who got the flu shot during pregnancy and had live, healthy babies. But I still question it because it happened around my son's death, whether or not it makes sense! I think if I didn't get the flu shot, and my son died, I would want to blame something else as the cause of his death. I'm eight months out and I still question it at times--but it's way less than before. My son most likely died from a blood clot in the placenta, that had nothing to do with a vaccine. I have to remind myself of the facts and that I did absolutely nothing wrong to lead to my son's death.

And you did absolutely nothing wrong, either. You got a flu shot because you wanted to protect your child and be the best mother possible. And it wasn't the flu shot that did this! In fact it wasn't anything that you directly or indirectly did. It was out of your control.

Please be gentle and kind to yourself. If you need to talk you are more than welcome to email me.
July 6, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterNada
I had the TDAP vaccine with my first and third (healthy babies) and lost my second son at 23 weeks since he had a severe birth defect (no shots here). I think your desire to find the root cause is natural, and it makes sense that you would look at what you did just prior to the event. But the shots have nothing to do with it.

After my son was diagnosed at 20 weeks with renal agenesis (no kidneys) I went back over everything I had done early in pregnancy that may have caused it. The fact is that birth defects, stillbirths, abruptions, and other similar tragedies have always occurred, even prior to people inventing vaccines and flu shots (or going to the dentist, in my case).

I am so sorry for your loss but please try not to blame yourself.

Sending love.
July 6, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterAbby
Hello Ladies thank you all for your replies, and kind words. I am not saying that the vaccines caused my baby boys passing. Nor am I trying to blame anyone or anything. I do know that the flu/ and tdap vaccines contains Mercury, Thimerosal, aluminum as well as chicken egg proteins, and a host of other things that are not good for pregnant women or infants under 6 months. I also understand that everyone's body is different. I recieved the both the flu shot and tdap while pregnant and got very ill where I had to go to the E.R. My case maybe different as well, as my sweet boy lived 53 days before passing. I have had three other live, vaginal births with no complications at all, so for me I believe that the chemicals in those vaccines did have some impact on my situation, although logically I know I can never prove it, but doing my research ladies vaccines do affect pregnant women/fetuses, and infants. Also I will not debate this (no disrespect ) Also if I'm able to help another woman I will, I would definitely advise to not allow the medical professionals to inject you with any chemicals. We put to much faith in modern medicine. Agian I know everyone's situation is different. Thank you
July 6, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterK.M
KM, I'm sorry for your loss and I understand truly, the need to find something to give you a reason for why it happened. Respectfully however, vaccines no longer contain any significant amounts of mercury or any of the other ingredients you listed. Research into respectable, peer reviewed sources would show that. just because X happened after Y, doesn't mean y caused x.

The research on this actually shows that vaccines impact babies and mothers by giving them both immunity until baby is old enough to receive vaccinations herself. I would respectfully request that you not provide medical advice to already suffering people. I know it's not your intent but it comes off as blaming them for what they thought was the best decision for them.

Finally, modern medicine and chemicals are the only reason I, my rainbow son, and many others I know are alive and thriving (including many friends who had severe pre-eclampsia and who would be dead had they not had emergency csection). I think people around the world whose babies die from vaccine preventable disease, or because they couldn't get to a hospital quickly enough for treatment would strongly object to this characterization of modern medecine.

Again, I'm very sorry for your loss and I understand the need to find a reason. Maybe this is the reason for you but for most people, vaccines and modern m├ędecine save lives.
July 6, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterAnon
Hello Anon and thanks for your reply. But if you would have read my post I will not debate this! And I do not have a need to blame anyone or anything for my son's passing, I don't need that kind of escape. I understand death and I know it was nothing I did to cause this. But like I Said it's my situation, my opinion and my thoughts. And if you look up vaccines you would see that the tdap and flu vaccines contains Mercury, formaldehyde, antibiotics and a host of other things! Not sure where you getting your information. Agian everyone's body is different. And when I give my advice as we all get advice during pregnancy I will tell them my story and why I'm against it, so just like you said I shouldn't give that advice against vaccines nor should you tell someone to get it. You don't know their body or health issues so to advise to get toxins while pregnant is not wise either. Agian we all have different opinions. And who are the already suffering people. Obviously you didn't understand my post but took the time to give a long winded opinion, every post doesn't need a reply.
July 6, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterK.M
We'll have to agree to disagree KM. My main point is this: leave the advice to the doctors and the professionals. Maybe you're one of them, but I will take my advice, when it comes to pregnancy, from my maternal fetal m├ędecine specialist, my OB etc. And I think everyone should find a team they trust and work with them. I'm 3 years out from losing my daughter and as I said, I know it wasn't your intent, but your post came off to me as blaming me for her loss because of vaccines. But you know nothing about me or what my needs might be so I hear you that for you this is true, this is your truth. I'd be grateful if you listened to mine too.
July 6, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterAnon
I don't think it matters. We do the best we can with the knowledge we have. Sometimes we are right, sometimes we are wrong and most of the time we never know what the results of our actions are.

If you read stories from before abortion was legal, you will find that women did many, many different things to terminate the pregnancy and nothing was sure fire or worked well. It is hard to kill a baby in the womb. Then again, if the baby is going to die, it is very hard to keep him alive. So I think the best we can do is get what information we want and need, do the best we can with it, and hope.

Peace to you, ladies.
July 7, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterJill A.
I refused all vaccines during pregnancy, but had to have the Rhogam shot, since I have a negative blood time and my husband has a positive blood type. I debated getting it a lot but ended up going for it. My little guy passed at 40 days old, unrelated to the shot I am pretty sure, but still do not have an answer to why he passed, genetic testing is being done to see if he had a rare metabolic condition or they will rule it SIDS.
July 7, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterCristiane
Definitely no vaccines in any of my pregnancies. Wasn't even something I would have considered.
July 8, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterShelby's Mum
This is a hot topic, but, respectfully to "anon", nearly everyone above gave "medical advice" by implying the shots were safe for all.

K.B., This was your experience and your sweet baby. You are allowed to question modern medicine- and, you are allowed to form your own opinions. While the vast majority of pregnant women (and babies/children) are fine following vaccine(s), there exists an entire national database of suspected vaccine injuries. You won't find my son's there, because his pediatrician refused to report it, because an "unspecified severe immune response" to "something" could apparently be anything.

I am in the medical field and I know the importance of vaccines. I also know what it is like to dutifully accept a shot and suffer consequences for which nobody could fix, because at the end of the day our bodies are not exact science and we do not know.

I am not saying I believe your vaccine was linked to your baby's death, but I sure won't say it wasn't, because I do not know all. I respect your belief that it was.

Intuition is strong, although sometimes misleading, but it is more valuable to me than anything else. I hope you find peace. I'm so sorry.
July 8, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterElaina
Hello Elaina, thank you for your reply, I'm glad that you understood what I was trying to say. I was not blaming the vaccines I was just stating that they were not good for me and wanted to see if anyone else had a similar experience.
July 10, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterK.M